tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27612105.post6357560609724377598..comments2024-01-11T02:23:42.118-08:00Comments on Keepin' It Real, Yo: In Which I Try To Get Bill Maher His Old Job Backpiker62http://www.blogger.com/profile/10976799832683250524noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27612105.post-86467023257350062562007-10-18T14:41:00.000-07:002007-10-18T14:41:00.000-07:00I believe it was also in the 9/11 Commission Repor...I believe it was also in the 9/11 Commission Report.<BR/><BR/>However true THAT thing is..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27612105.post-69173169628739720352007-10-16T11:46:00.000-07:002007-10-16T11:46:00.000-07:00It does, absolutely. If they didn't know they were...It does, absolutely. If they didn't know they were going to die, then I can't see 'em as brave. The question is, is that report true or is it an attempt to shoot down this argument. Not by you. I've heard it elsewhere before.piker62https://www.blogger.com/profile/10976799832683250524noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27612105.post-30437673908254196332007-10-13T08:16:00.000-07:002007-10-13T08:16:00.000-07:00I'll throw a little curve into your argument then....I'll throw a little curve into your argument then..<BR/><BR/>It has been reported that only the highjacker "pilots" knew what the final outcome of their mission was. The other highjackers were under the impression that it was a "routine" highjacking. <BR/><BR/>Therefore, only 4 of the highjackers "knew they would go down wih their victims". Does that then create a difference between the highjackers "in the know", and those that didn't?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27612105.post-68115483144310176032007-10-12T23:43:00.000-07:002007-10-12T23:43:00.000-07:00I'd be completely with you IF they terrorists hadn...I'd be completely with you IF they terrorists hadn't been on the planes. Again I don't agree with them, but they prepared for years to strike a blow against what they saw as a great evil, and they knew they would go down with their victims. Brave. Horrifically wrong as well.<BR/><BR/>As for the police and fire personnel, they were brave AND risking their lives to save the lives of total strangers. Brave. And noble.<BR/><BR/>We'll probably start repeating ourselves if we keep this up.piker62https://www.blogger.com/profile/10976799832683250524noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27612105.post-24755719672838430422007-10-12T20:33:00.000-07:002007-10-12T20:33:00.000-07:00Having a strong belief in something (your original...Having a strong belief in something (your original argument) does not make one brave. Bravery requires one to actively face a serious threat.<BR/><BR/>It's not brave to take out innocent civillians in a non-military target. It wasn't "brave" of the US when we firebombed Dresden.<BR/><BR/>I'll agree that bravery sees neither good or evil, it sees the act of daring in the face of tremendous adversity.<BR/><BR/>The 9/11 highjackers were not brave.<BR/><BR/>The fire and police personnel that ran INTO those burning buildings to save lives faced adversity and a pretty threatening situation. They were both brave and courageous. <BR/><BR/>See the difference?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27612105.post-60442744725886802472007-10-12T18:22:00.000-07:002007-10-12T18:22:00.000-07:00Wanting to understand versus seeing evil for what ...Wanting to understand versus seeing evil for what it is - I'll buy that, but understand that moral certainty is something you guys have in common with the terrorists. The fact is you violently disagree on what is right, but you're both dead certain you know what it is. Me, I like to do a little more research.<BR/><BR/>I think at the root of this discussion is a problem a lot of people had when the whole incident took place: mistaking the opposite of 'brave." It's not "evil." It's "cowardly." Bravery by itself is neither good nor evil, though it is a good quality.piker62https://www.blogger.com/profile/10976799832683250524noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27612105.post-3745864789616491852007-10-12T15:08:00.000-07:002007-10-12T15:08:00.000-07:00Just trying to understand your logic here.Based on...Just trying to understand your logic here.<BR/><BR/>Based on your belief that while despicable, the hijackers were brave in their actions, because they died for what they believed in.<BR/><BR/>I'd say that the wacko at Virginia Tech believed in what he was doing. So did the Columbine shooters. I'd venture a guess that the Unibomber believed in what he was doing as well. I'm sure Hitler felt his methods were pure and honest.<BR/><BR/>You can't attach moral equivalance to evil actions, because the perps "believed in what they were doing". These guys flew planes full of INNOCENT people into buildings full of INNOCENT people. That's not "brave". That is nothing but pure evil.<BR/><BR/>That is one of the big things separate the Left from the Right. The Left wants to understand/rationalize the "why", while the Right sees evil for what it is.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com